6. Live conversations from HOME

I'm trying something new!

I'm sharing excerpts from raw, unedited 1:1 coaching conversations from inside my teaching hub, HOME. 

On this episode, we explore questions like:

• What do I do when the work I do feels frivolous when so many people in the world are in trouble?
• How do I show up on social media when I don't even want to look at other people's stuff?

My clients have graciously given me consent to share these conversations with you. It is my hope that they will give you insights, "aha" moments," and breakthroughs on similar things you've been struggling with.

If you'd like to be part of these conversations, I hold these live calls weekly inside HOME, and our community is always open for you to join. Come bring your questions and experiences to our next call! You can learn more here.

Transcript

 Hello, friends, you are listening to Liberatory Business. I'm your host, Simone Seol. Thank you so, so much for listening. Today I am going to introduce you to a new series that I'm going to drop intermittently, which is excerpts from live coaching calls Inside HOME, my main teaching community. And these individuals have graciously given me consent to share these real time raw conversations with you. And today I'm talking with Stephanie and Aayaan about issues related to marketing and integrity and how to find your way through it. And I think you're really going to enjoy them. So if you wanted to get a sense of what it's like to work with me, well, here you go.

And I also think that many of you will find the insights shared really valuable. So I hope you enjoy.

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Stephanie: I have been getting so much richness out of the conversations that have preceded me. So I don't have, I have just the barest wisp of a question left.

SIMONE: Okay. Let's hear it.

Stephanie: I was feeling, I am so tender about this and my Pisces moon just brings all of the water so close to the surface. So I'm all right as I cry, but I will cry. For context, a lot of the things around me are just consumed with the political unfolding of the United States, and I have had... So I do some community organizing, and just the amount of information we've had to put out about getting raided by ICE, and what folks have had to do, and the baseline rights that we've been educating folks about has led me to do so little for my business that I am now a bit concerned about meeting my own living expenses. And if things aren't dire, I've got at least a month or two. But trying to motivate myself to do what I had been doing last year, which was very successful—just helping folks to show up on social media from a particular perspective that I have—just feels so empty and shallow.

And I know it's not, but it seems so far away from helping people get lunch for the day without worrying about if they're going to be able to pick up their kid from school. Like it just seems so frivolous, and I know it's not. I know that good business practices, ethical, liberatory business practices are a wonderful way to support us all to get freer, faster. But I've been navigating that tension.

Stephanie: Okay, I know what I am going to do now.

SIMONE: What are you gonna do?

Stephanie: I'm gonna do some posts that are about that, that are just like, "Hey, I feel really fucking silly selling the workshops that I'm selling, but I also know that this is one of the fluencies that I have that I am happy to share for a very low cost so that I can pay my rent and keep making cool shit and doing stuff offline that I'll never post about." That feels relevant.

SIMONE: I absolutely support that. And secondly, what does the word frivolity mean?

Stephanie: I don't know the word root.

Stephanie: I'm using it to mean like extraneous, perhaps?

SIMONE: Okay, so listen, I think every time we have a conundrum like this, I don't want to just try to solve it as fast as possible and put it over there and move on. I really want to get into the meat of it.

Stephanie: Okay.

SIMONE: So you teach people how to show up. And I don't think you would have done it all this time if you, if all of it was completely frivolous.

Stephanie: Absolutely. Absolutely not. Yep. I would have stopped that a while ago.

SIMONE: So there's some kind of dissonance here, right? Is it frivolous? Is it not frivolous? I want you to be really honest with yourself about what part of it you think is frivolous, if any, because your brain's telling you it's frivolous. And what part isn't?

Stephanie: Okay, the part that isn't frivolous is... I know that part. I know the part that is frivolous.

Stephanie: The part that is frivolous... And now I wish I used a different word. So it's not frivolous. It is less urgent. It feels less urgent.

SIMONE: Okay. I feel in a horrible rush to help the people that I have been helping. More, more of them. People that I haven't even met yet.

Stephanie: Okay. You feel it's less urgent. And you really want to, you've been wanting to devote yourself to the urgent work.

SIMONE: Yes. And you have been.

Stephanie: Yes. And there is work that feels less urgent. And you feel conflicted about doing work that feels less urgent because there's so much urgency.

SIMONE: Yes.

SIMONE: So here's the thing. There is always a mind-bogglingly heartbreaking amount of urgent shit going on in the world.

Stephanie: Yes.

SIMONE: And you just happen to be, it just happens to be in front of your face right now, but even when it wasn't in front of your face, it's still happening at all corners of the world—unimaginably heartbreaking, urgent shit.

Stephanie: Yes.

SIMONE: And I'm saying this to you now, not because—not in a way to be like "so don't worry about it, 'cause it's always happening." That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I see your beautiful heart and I see your actions. And it's a very fine line, but we don't want to be in a savior mode. And one way of being in savior mode is like, "Unless I can solve all the urgency in the world, then I'm going to feel terrible about myself."

Stephanie: Yes. That is a bar that no one on earth could live up to. It is a negotiation of that line that I am having trouble with presently.

SIMONE: Yeah, I get that. Yeah. Can you tell me what you think about this: what's the difference between really letting your heart break—and being eyes wide open to the world and letting your heart break into a thousand pieces—without going into savior mode? What does that look like?

Stephanie: What does it look like to have my heart break into a thousand pieces and be open to the suffering in the world? And all of its urgency. And not going into savior mode.

Stephanie: Firstly, it is to admit that I am also one of those that are suffering, that the executive orders of the U.S. administration have been hurting my safety, and I can take care of—I should—to not be in savior mode would be to say like, "It's time for me to take care of myself before taking care of strangers," because there are people I haven't even met yet and I have been neglecting myself.

SIMONE: Cause if you neglect yourself and you are under-resourced and depleted and burnt out, then how can the world get any kind of help from you at all?

Stephanie: That would be a rough ask, for sure.

SIMONE: Yeah, so you are part of the urgencies of the world, obviously not comparing—there's obviously different degrees that matter.

Stephanie: For sure. They do matter.

SIMONE: And I think if I could suggest this, I think the second part of being just open and attentive to the suffering of the world, all the urgencies, without making yourself a savior, is to grieve the limits that are real in terms of what you can do.

Stephanie: That's good shit right there. I don't want to believe that there are limits to what we can do because we think if we just do more, if I could just... then I could save everybody, and then we don't ever come face to face with this terrible, excruciating, horrible fucking nightmare reality in which we're actually—there's only so much one person can do.

SIMONE: Yes. Let's hold a paradox, right? We can do incredible things far beyond what we think we're capable of.

Stephanie: Yes.

SIMONE: Yes, and also you are just one person.

Stephanie: Yes.

SIMONE: And really seeing the limit of that is painful, and unless you grieve that in a clean way, you're always going to be wanting to lurch into savior mode, because you're like, "But I could do more, but I could," right?

Stephanie: Yes. I had not thought to grieve that, and that feels very important.

SIMONE: Yeah. There will be people who will be very hurt from this. There will be people who won't survive. There will be families that are broken up. There will be just—there will be a fuck ton of heartbreak.

Stephanie: It's that emotion.

SIMONE: Yeah. It's—there's—you are so powerful and you can do so much, and you are just one person. And there will always be limits.

Stephanie: Yes. I teach people to show up and I have been, and one of the things that I am adamant about in my teaching is that it can only—it must be connected to something enduring, that there must be some sort of... I'm half Chinese. My whole family is—we build things to last seven generations, fuck you. It's 700 years at minimum. There's a sea great wall, like that kind of shit.

I say "show up" and I mean it in terms of sustainability—like forever, right? Because to do less is to not sustain, actually. It's to endure, or to prolong, which is not to sustain. I can take my own medicine there.

SIMONE: And also, let me ask you this, because I feel like showing up, teaching people how to show up on social media, it's not just so they can make a cute reel and go viral, right? It's increasing people's capacity to show up.

Stephanie: Yes.

SIMONE: Really show up. Courageous, show up resourced.

Stephanie: Yes.

SIMONE: I wonder if this includes teaching people how to show up to be an ally in their communities.

Stephanie: Yes.

SIMONE: The same skills that led you to be such a badass at showing up and speaking publicly are the same skills, I'm assuming, that enabled you to leap into action when you thought people were in trouble. Because you're like, "I trust myself, I trust my voice, I trust that my contribution matters." So then you go out and take action, where so many other people, they're afraid to show up on social media for the same reasons they're afraid to be an ally—they don't trust themselves.

Stephanie: Okay. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

SIMONE: So you have to keep... Okay, I know my work is not frivolous, but there are edges that we can push into to make it—to add even more integrity to your work, add even more depth. So maybe you say, "Hey, if you're not paying attention to what's going on, and if your heart's not breaking for everything that's happening, and you still want to learn how to show up on social media from me, then get the fuck out."

Stephanie: Legit. Because you're not world-building with them. Who are like, "I just want to be popular on social media, I don't care what Trump is doing."

SIMONE: Yeah, they can leave. They can leave! And then the only people who will remain are people who want to learn these skills so they can expand their capacity to do shit that matters in the world, including being an ally.

Stephanie: If anyone were to ask, "Oh, how can you teach marketing when the world's falling apart?" It's—if you don't think marketing is literal community care, then you're doing it wrong. That is my response, right? And whatever in your marketing is misaligned with that needs to change.

SIMONE: So I want you to think about that for yourself, like showing—how is what you're teaching—how can it be either reframed or remade, whatever, so that every part of it is deeply concordant with what you want to see change in the world. And I know that you've always been this person, but maybe it's time to make that really explicit.

Stephanie: I think so. I've been feeling like—like I've been pulling punches lately and showing up a lot less. Partially because my last—I've been busy, and the last couple of reels, I've been really fucking emotional, and there's something in me—I feel concerned, maybe a bit self-conscious that... But the thought that comes up in my mind is "I can't show up and be crying on the internet again. Like I can't be enraged again."

SIMONE: Yes, you can.

Stephanie: Oh, yes, I can. I mean I am enraged and sobbing about new horrors, and if you're not meeting me in my rage and sorrow, then get the fuck out. You're not my people.

Stephanie: I was borrowing some energy from Melissa Tiers. She posted recently and she was like, "If you support whatever's happening"—she was saying something specific, she was like, "If you support that, and I've ever taught you anything, forget what I taught you."

SIMONE: That's it.

Stephanie: I was like, oh shit. That's it. So if she can psychically rescind her teaching, then I can certainly show up in such a way that causes people to naturally fuck off if they're not on my page.

SIMONE: You just have to be really loud about what you care about and who you want to walk forward with.

Stephanie: Yes.

SIMONE: And if you're loud about that, the wrong people will see themselves out.

Stephanie: Yeah. I couldn't believe how many white supremacists were following me until I started talking about anti-racism. I was like, you were here all along? Why were you here? What the fuck?

Stephanie: They didn't know that I was not cool with that. So I was like, I am so ashamed that I made my business, even by accident, what seems like a safe space for you to be white supremacist.

Stephanie: And since then, I was talking to Rashida, "What do I do? Should I just start talking about the Black Panthers a lot? Like, how do I make it so that every last one of them gets the fuck out?"

SIMONE: Literally. Did Rashida answer you?

Stephanie: Yeah, "You should." And I've been trying to work in the Black Panther, but just like—Megan, you have to be a very inhospitable place for anyone who's not seeing what you're seeing because they don't want to.

Stephanie: Oh, okay. This is great. I am activated. Simone, this is not part of the truth or dare. I'm going to try to lose with integrity, not by being a wild card in the bad way. I'm going to—I'm going to try to lose half my followers.

SIMONE: That was my goal. I haven't succeeded, but let's do it.

Stephanie: Yeah. I'm like, yeah, the white supremacists need to go. The Zionists...

SIMONE: They gotta go.

Stephanie: Okay. I've been saying such incendiary shit like in the streets, and I just, I get home and I'm like, "I wanna go to sleep."

SIMONE: You get this. It's not coming from an energy of just lashing out. It's not that.

Stephanie: No.

SIMONE: Very intentional about where you're going, why you're going there, and who you want coming with you because you're doing the same work of world-building, right? And then really look inside too, because I want you to come to a place where you feel great about sharing your work, even on the worst days, because it's so aligned with every part of how you talk about it, how you present it feels aligned with your values. And then you won't, you won't have this crisis anymore.

Stephanie: I look forward to that. I treasured the time when I thought—when I did not just—I thought when I had that and just, since—not since the election, but certainly since inauguration day and the first day of fucking executive orders—that's been rough. And I am in a massive reorganization and realignment of my inner compass. The things that I thought were more than enough just seem a lot different now.

SIMONE: Yeah.

Stephanie: And I'm crying partially out of grief and partially out of fatigue.

SIMONE: Yeah. Yeah. And relief.

Stephanie: I'm so delighted to have hashed this out. Thank you.

SIMONE: So seriously, fuck every social media guru...

Stephanie: Except people who are crying with you right now.

SIMONE: Fuck. Totally. Social media visibility—don't say fucking peep about what's happening in the world. Fuck off. Go follow Tony Robbins.

Stephanie: Fuck themselves.

SIMONE: Yes. Okay. I'm in a relatively grounded space to be able to hold space for you because I'm like, over here in Korea—

Stephanie: What? Girl! I can't. I can't.

SIMONE: South Korea is teaching us how to do it, though.

Stephanie: Like, no, that's true. We got our own shit. We got our own shit. It's so crazy.

SIMONE: And so—but Koreans organize like motherfuckers. Let me tell you, that was the blueprint. I was watching those videos and sobbing, just being like, they're in sub-zero temperatures—

Stephanie: Yes, everyone learn from us South Koreans about how to organize because we got this shit figured out. Make it fun.

SIMONE: Yes.

Stephanie: Okay. Thank you, Simone. Thank you so much.

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Simone: Okay, Aayaan.

Aayaan: Hi, Simone. So, you know, I've been doing the PlayShops, and it's going well. I'm also able to pitch and, like, prospect well, just based off of the people I'm meeting in person and connecting with, or that are in my networks already. And they're, like, sort of warm. They know me, they've met me, but there's also a desire there to like revive my socials and my newsletter again, because I haven't—I've just been doing in-person stuff. I haven't been posting about my play shops or anything. I'll just post when I do an event, if that, and then I move on to the next one.

Simone: Okay. Why didn't it feel fun in the first place?

Aayaan: Because I find—okay, there's two. So there's LinkedIn and there's Instagram. I find Instagram extremely annoying. I don't go on there.

Simone: Why?

Aayaan: I only go on there for cat videos and like my two friends and my girlfriend who send me reels to watch. So I go there like twice a day and I watch those.

Simone: Why is it annoying if it's only like cats and your girlfriend?

Aayaan: No, that's why it's great. But all the other stuff about like people—

Simone: Don't consume any of the other stuff.

Aayaan: And I also—that's why I don't feel compelled to create for that platform either. I don't want to sit here and read your self-help advice or my own. Like, I just don't find that interesting.

Simone: Okay.

Aayaan: You know? I feel like LinkedIn is a bit different because—

Simone: you look at my stuff and I only know because—

Aayaan: Yeah, that you are the only one. Literally. And 'cause we also talk.

Simone: That's true.

Aayaan: But LinkedIn is different 'cause I am connecting with people on there who I've actually met, like just recently met.

Simone: Wait, hold on. I am though. Hold on. You have this idea about Instagram that it's gonna be like random people who are gonna see your stuff and be like, "Who is this person pushing their random self-help at me? Ugh." Rolling their eyes.

Aayaan: Yeah.

Simone: Whereas maybe—I think that's why you're annoyed because if you were thinking of, for example, me, and we're friends, and I'm looking at you like, "Oh my god, Aayaan posted! What does he say?" and I'd be like, "Oh my god, he's so brilliant!" Like, you wouldn't be annoyed to think of me reacting like that.

Aayaan: Yeah.

Simone: Like, you're not thinking of friends, you're thinking of like randos.

Aayaan: Yeah, maybe. Because I have this—which does connect to what I was thinking towards—I was coaching myself through this too—is I do have this belief that if you post just photos on Instagram, like, maybe 20 percent of your friends will see it. And if you post reels, then more people will see it. And I can't be bothered to spend like an hour making a reel. And it doesn't take me less than that.

Simone: Okay, my photo-post to reel ratio is like 15 to 1.

Aayaan: But you do what works for you, right? And I feel like you enjoy writing those black and white posts or with the text.

Simone: Right, because I don't care. I just don't care what the algorithm likes. I just share for my friends, right? So what I'm saying is, the only reason any social media anything feels bad for anyone is because of the relationship—how you're envisioning the relationship. Meaning who you're imagining is there, and how you imagine them reacting to you, how you feel about them, how you imagine they feel about you. That's the only reason. Well, not the only reason, but that's like the main part of it.

And then there's all these "shoulds," like, "Oh, I gotta be making reels." And then people—there are—there's always going to be different trends, right? Before Reels was a thing—it feels like so long ago, but it actually wasn't—before Reels was a thing, there's different like, "You have to do this, you have to do this, the hashtags this way," and before that it was like—there's always different trends where you have to do this or the algorithm's gonna fuck you.

Aayaan: Right.

Simone: And the reason that I don't pay attention to any of that is not because I am like a magical unicorn, but because while I try to catch up to the trend, the trend is going to change on me anyways. So the most energy-efficient thing I can do is to just do my thing. 

I do my thing. I build up my body of work in the way that works for me. And then the trends change a million times in the process. And then the people find me—find me maybe not as fast as they might have if I was trying to follow every trend, but they find me steadily. And it compounds.

Aayaan: Yeah.

Simone: That's why you can't be trying to do what everyone else says you should do, what everyone else is aspiring to do, because by the time you've caught up to one trend, there is another, right? 

So you have to really root into and respect and trust the way you want to create. If you're like, "In my gut, I know that Reels is not something I want to do," I just trust that that's the best approach for me.

Aayaan: Yeah. And, and that's—I love that. And I remember, which is, I don't know if it's a coincidence or not, but I was just in the car driving yesterday and I was listening to your joyful marketing module about partnering with your fans, which for those who don't know is basically just what you just said, right? Don't think about randos receiving or looking at your posts, think about your friends. Like, who are you thinking about when you post?

So you're right, I have sort of struggled with that because I'm thinking about actual people I'm meeting who I want to talk to, but they're not like my besties. They're just people I just met, like once. And so maybe that's where—

Simone: Are these people you want to talk to?

Aayaan: Yeah, because I want them to get to know me better.

Simone: Yeah, so it's like, it could be the whole gamut of people who you met once, but it's like—I'm just using like a romantic analogy—but it's like you had like eye contact once and it's like, "Oh, I think I want to flirt with them," or maybe like made out once and you want to make out again. It's like, or maybe you already slept together, you know? It's like the whole "whoever it is, everyone's welcome to the orgy."

I was like, do I say orgy? Yes, I'm going to say orgy. haha. Everyone's welcome to the party. You know, it's just whoever's vibing. And anyone who's not vibing, get out.

Aayaan: Yeah. And honestly, the way that this would be fun for me is thinking about—like this conversation and asking you my question was—I just want to post nature photos that I've taken and like selfies from time to time. That's how I want to show up on the internet. I don't even want my face out there too much. I just feel like there's just—yeah, do you know what I mean? Like the more I'm seen, the less I want like all of me to be accessible to people and like all of my deep thoughts and like my life happenings, you know?

Simone: Okay, but at the beginning of the call you said, "How do I share more?" So if you don't want to share those things, what is it that you do want to share?

Aayaan: Yeah, that's a great question. I think I'm—I think I'm good to share some spicy opinions and like my unfiltered thoughts on like specific things and also like friends I meet, like I want to share photos. I kind of just want to go back to, I guess, like 2014 Instagram, the way I used to post. I would just be like, "This is what I did today." And I'm talking to friends and it wasn't all of me, you know? I wasn't like exposing myself, but I was being really honest.

Simone: So I think the more important—because everybody's like, "What should I post?" but that's so much—that's like such an unimportant question compared to why are you—why are you here? Why are you posting? Right?

Aayaan: That's a great question.

Simone: Why would you want to do that? Why do you want to present as 2014 Instagram? I'm not saying you shouldn't want to, to be sure, but why?

Aayaan: If I'm being really honest, I feel like I should post. I don't necessarily want to post. I feel like I should.

Simone: And I feel like you want to do 2014 Instagram as kind of like your compromise, like, "Ugh, if you're gonna make me, fine, I'll do it in this compromised form."

Aayaan: Yeah, unfortunately, I think that sounds correct.

Simone: So, what if you just didn't? And trusted, radically trusted yourself.

Aayaan: Mm.

Simone: Because the problem is, like, you're not posting, you're not showing up, and then you're distrusting your not showing up. You're like, "It's probably a bad idea, I should probably go back at some point, everybody else is doing it, it's probably good for my career." Like, "People already know me and love me, they want to know more about me, they're probably like, 'Where is Aayaan on Instagram?'" Like, you're not trusting that your move is the right move.

But if you make—here's the thing—if you make a counterculture move, countercultural move for reasons that are real to you, you have to go all in. Because otherwise, a million forces are going to try to walk you back. And before you know it, here you are again, posting a think piece that you were like, "Why am I doing this?"

Aayaan: No, you're right. And then actually when you mentioned think pieces, I find the idea of posting blog posts really liberating. I think it's just—I want to tap out of like competing for 10 seconds of people's attention and the attention on it. I'm done with that. That's not—I feel like that's not—but this is where I do distrust myself because I'm like, "Oh, but people could find me that way too. So shouldn't I show up for them?" That's the distrust. That's the piece where I'm not.

Simone: If you keep trying to compromise with social media, you don't give yourself the chance to bloom into the long-form writer that you actually do want to be and that people want to—people want from you.

Aayaan: That's so true. That is such a good point. Oh, I hate that you're right. You're so right.

Simone: Aren't I usually?

Aayaan: Yeah, always.

Simone: Okay, so you're right. So I just want to tell everybody—if you're contemplating a countercultural decision, like being off social media, you have to go all in if the reasons are real to you. Because in doing something countercultural, there's something that you're meant to do that's different. And if you keep compromising, you're never gonna do the thing that's different that you were supposed to do. You're never gonna give yourself a chance to find out what that even is. You're never gonna get to develop it. You know? So, anyways, what were we gonna say?

Aayaan: Head flip. Mic drop. Yeah, I started going in that direction with, like, I did one blog post and, and you know about it. And I think it just felt so beautiful. And I was like, "Wow, this feels so, like, freeing and so light and I'm enjoying this." And there was a nature photo in it that I took. So, I started to go in that direction and then I was like, "But wait, what if I should be on here too?"

Simone: No compromising.

Aayaan: Okay, so I'm gonna say—

Simone: We always—we overestimate the benefit of doing the mainstream thing and we underestimate the cost of what we're losing out on by doing the countercultural thing by not doing the—well, that was a convoluted sentence, but you know what I mean. Should I try to say it again?

Aayaan: Yeah, say it again. Okay.

Simone: We always overestimate the benefit of doing the mainstream thing. Right? Like, "Oh, it's so good that I'm on social media because I'm supposed to be, and this is how people find me." We overestimate the benefit of the known thing, and we underestimate the cost of not doing our own thing.

Aayaan: Oh my god, Simone.

Simone: That was pretty good. Somebody write that down and post it so I remember that I said it.

Aayaan: Thanks for having me. I'm like, don't worry. Yeah, so what I gotta do next is just like deepen into that, the beauty of that, the way that I started to enjoy showing up through blog posts. Like, I just got to make more space in my day and my brain for that.

Simone: Yeah. And I want to also like give you like an affirmation, like there is a—there are—there's a really good reason I don't want to be on social media and I don't even have to know what that is fully yet. Like, I'm only going to find out the full extent of all the reasons I don't want to be like later. There's like a genius that knows all the things but it's not telling me all the reasons yet. But just trust me. Just trust me. You'll find out later why we don't want to be on social media right now.

Aayaan: Whoa. Okay, that feels almost like something an oracle would say.

Simone: But you know, this is probably really a big part of radical self-trust. Right? Like every time I make a scary decision, I feel like there's something inside me that says, "You have no idea how good this is gonna end up being for you and it's not your job to know yet. Your job is just to trust me and you're gonna find out, not now, later. Just trust me," you know?

Aayaan: Okay, I'm gonna keep that front and center if I start to doubt again and have questions about it. I'm gonna say what you just said, that I have really good reasons for it and I just need to trust myself.

Simone: Because I am a genius who knows a lot of things and I might not know—

Aayaan: But I don't even know fully what I know. I don't even know what I know that are going to be revealed later.

Simone: Okay, thank you.

Aayaan: All right, you're welcome. TTYL.

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So if you wanna hop in, I'd love to see you there. Until next time, keep showing up. The world needs exactly what you have to offer.